SID2SID with two different SID flavours: Finished

November 22nd, 2007

I finally inished my special SID2SID, which has a little hack that allows you to use two different flavours of SID on the same board, at least if used on a 6581 board. The trick is to regulate the 12V used for the 6581 down to 9V, for the 8580. The 8580 should use the same filter caps as 8580 always uses. I don’t remember the value, but the SID2SID manual covers this.
Here’s my test setup:

SID2SID dual SID type test setup SID2SID SID waveforms on oscilloscope

Prophet64 still identifies the main SID, a 6581. On the right, the audio outpus from the SIDs.
Prophet64 SID identification, 6581 C64 SID sound outputs

And here is a closer look of the little beauty. It’s too much of a snake’s nest, but that was because of a mistake of mine. The left picture is the bottom side of the SID2SID. It’s filled with dirty tricks. The first thing I want to point out is the voltage regulator. It has three wires. For the voltage regulator to have any effect at all, you have to cut the trace to VDD and connect the voltage regulator. (If you don’t know, or can’t find instructions, how to connect a voltage regulator, you probably shouldn’t do this mod, so I won’t tell you the exact wiring.)
I first cut the wrong trace, so there’s one excess wire to fix that.
The regulator should be a 7809, (+9 V regulator) but all I could find was a 7808. (+8 V regulator) That’s 1 V too low, but works, and will hopefully help keep the chip cool. The big cap attached to it was an attempt to keep noise in VDD to a minimum, but didn’t help much. However, it fits perfectly between the IC sockets and keeps the regulator steady in one place.
The resistor on the upper left grounds the SID sound input, which reduces the noise a little. The resistor on the lower left charges DC blocking cap, so that it’s nicely charged when you plug it into something. Hopefully this will help protect the chip, but maybe it will make it burn out faster. Time will tell.

SID2SID with SID 6581 and 8580 SID2SID with SID 6581 and 8580

No sounds samples up yet sorry, but it works fine. What doesn’t work fine is joystick port 2, where the fire button seems to be fried from ESD. (I finally realized this) So unless I learn how to use P64 without a mouse, no fun for some time. (But I can still use drummer and bassline of course.)
In the long run, I’d like to implement one or more of AlphA’s C64 mods. I will also try to modify the filter circuit in a strange way, bend if you will. Any news, and you’ll hear it here.

Also, fuckings to ps.

Update: Answer to Joey’s question:
In order to do what you want to you have drop the voltage and replace the caps, yes. The easiest way to replace the caps for SID 1 is to cut the 4 filter legs of the board, and solder 8580 compatible capacitors on the SID2SID board. The SID2SID cover this topic well.

As for regulating the voltage, I advise you to cut off the VDD pin, or possible bend it upwards in some acrobatic manner. That’s where the higher voltage goes onto the SID2SID board, somehow making sure that pin is not directly connect to the 12 V source on the board is crucial if you don’t want to fry two chips in one go. (*Shudders*)
Then you can connect the output of the regulator to that pin you’ve just bent/cut. Ground goes to ground and input goes to input. Crazy as I am, in your situation I would’ve tried to somehow fit the regulator where the VDD pin was. This way you can just put down the chip in the socket and the regulator leg would go in the right place. But that’s overkill, really.

Just make sure the VDD is regulated. And make sure the 12 V you have found is source is actually connected to the power supply. (Put your multimeter in diode mode, and probe the point you’ve found and pin 28 on the SID socket, while the machine is off)

If you need it, here is the SID pinout and the SID2SID manual.

Good luck!

Edit: The lurvtrut was removed in favour for an actual SID pinout.

5 Responses to “SID2SID with two different SID flavours: Finished”

  1. joey mariano says:

    hey - one question for ya - i have a 6581 motherboard C64 and i want to put 2 8580’s in there - all i need to do is drop the voltage down and replace the filter caps right? i found a place on the board where i can draw the correct voltage. i’d have to change the filter caps on the motherboard right?

    thanks man~! awesome work

    joey mariano

  2. Sid Vicious says:

    In the SID pinout link I see…

    WTF!?!?!? A Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle? A dog? An evil mutant?

    What’s that? :P

  3. nitro2k01 says:

    Tiheeheehee! Sorry for that… I realize I had the wrong URL in my clipboard when writing that post.
    That is actually a “Lurvtrut”!
    I’ll fix the post now, but for those who are interested, the picture can be viewed here:

  4. Sid Vicious says:

    Now I’m more scared of you. I did think was a photobucket error, now I know you see very weird things from insane people!

    Poor dog! Who was the mad guy that did that?

    PS: Thanks for fixing the link ;)

  5. nitro2k01 says:

    Actually that was a picture Psilodump wanted to use for his song Lurvtrut, for the myspace of the Blip blop festival that microdisko Stockholm arranged. Click that link and listen to the song.
    I don’t have a clue where it comes from or what it is; on the contrary I’d like to know just as much as you do.

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