Crystal Castles and Chip Music Copyright Infringements
May 6th, 2008
Introduction
Here’s a little rant about Crystal Castles and their recently revealed copyright violations. First off I think I should explain why I care at all. I generally do support copyright violation, and I willingly take part in downloading as well as uploading copyrighted material to various P2P networks. However, I draw a line between the act of personally copying and sharing material for no other gain than the material itself, and using copyright violation as a means of generating a monetary profit. The previous is inevitable in today’s age of information while the latter, at least from case to case, can be seen as morally wrong.
Rant about CC and Copyright in General
Another argument that needs to be acknowledged is that sampling is an integral part of today’s electronic music scene. The story about the Amen break comes into mind. The Amen was a breakbeat from a 1969 record that was sampled and quickly grew popular in the early 90’s. It was highly influencial to at least these genres of music: Jungle, Rave, Drum and Bass, Hiphop, and probably others too. Why do I bring up the Amen here? Because it’s an example of where sampling led to innovation. It is also an example of where underground producers sampled mainstream material and turned it into something original.
Crystal Castles’ use of sampling, however, is quite the opposite: It’s an example of a mainstream producer sampling underground musicians. And it’s also an example of, should we call it anti-innovation, where something quote original is taken and being adapted to the mainstream. You end up in a situation where the newly created work is less innovative than the works being sampled.
This is not something that is unique to CC though. A number of less known artists have outright stolen materials from others, claiming it to be their own. However, more notably, hip-hop producer Timbaland sampled the song Acidjazzed Evening by finnish Amiga musician Janne Suni, and used it in Nelly Furtado’s song Do It, without any attribution to Janne. It has come to a point where “Being Timbalanded” is a common expression on the scene to describe when someone’s work is used in the mainstream without permission.
It seems like people like Timbaland and Crystal Castles think that just because the chip music scene is mostly based on altruism and non-profit sharing of one’s music, it means that the chip music is in the public domain, being free for anyone to use as they see fit.
I’m wondering if the unauthorized sampling of chiptunes is a very conscious move from CC’s side. They know they’ve got enough money to pay expensive lawyers, and in the end the sampled artists might not care about their rights. And even if the original artist does care, files a law suit and wins, a major record label has enough money to pay the damages, and in the same time CC gets attention. In the end most listeners don’t care about whether their idols sampled someone else. “All attention is good attention” , as the saying goes.
I’m even starting to wonder whether Crystal Castles as a concept is based on stealing other’s materials without permission. The new kind of punk, copyright infringement for money.
In the same time they’ve managed to popularize their music in a way the chip musicians have not been able to. Could it be that most people can not appreciate pure chip sounds, but need something else, more mainstreamed, more polished, or in other words, party music that is danceable and not too abstract. From that point of view they’re definitely filling a need, be it at the expense of others.
Claims of Unauthorized Use of Copyrighted Materials by Crystal Castles
Their album Crystal Castles and Trevor Brown
It turned out that the original Crystal Castles’ album with the same name had a cover using the artwork of the graphical artist Trevor Brown, a picture of Madonna with a black eye. (Top image) The same picture had previously been used for a cassette cover released about 1999 by the Japanese label Beast 666 Records. (Bottom image)
Here’s his story in brief:
Crystal Castles used his artwork for their debut 7″ record, and T-shirts without asking Trevor Brown for permission. A friend of his notified him. He contacted CC’s lawyers to get compensation. They sent him a contract with ridiculous terms that they wanted him to sign.
You can read his full story here
“Love and Caring” <-> Covox - Sunday
I heard CC’s song Love and Caring and I immediately recognized beats from Covox’ Sunday. But what if, for the sake of argument, CC managed to produce a sound which was just quite similar to that of Covox’ song. Or heck, if they even tried to emulate the sound that he managed to achieve in Sunday.
Well, here’s the funny part. Apart from on a rare demo CD (Which I btw happen to own) it was only ever released to the public as a demo MP3 on his website. The said MP3 file is encoded with a low bitrate, which gives the sound defects that are very easy to spot with some spectral analysis. Not only could I determine that CC are using the beats from Sunday, but the patterns were so significant that I could determine that CC was using the first and second beat from Covox’ song.
These images shows the two first beats from both the songs, CC at the top, Covox at the bottom. The first thing you can notice is the overall similarity between the two. There’s a large gap between 9 kHz and 12 kHz, because of the MP3 compression. There are also some little quirks that I’ve especially pointed out. (Green circles) They are everywhere of course, since it’s the same sound, but the ones pointed out are easy to see.
Also, the hits in Covox’ song look different for each hit, because the MP3 compression takes a little differently on each hit. On the other hand in CC’s song every hit of the same type has the same quirks, meaning it’s the same beat user over and over, and this happens to be the first and second beat, coressponding a kick and hihat.
I’ll also take the opportunity to point to things with CC’s mastering. Notice the vertical lines (Marked with blue arrows) these indicate clipping of the waveform, aka distortion. Also notice the horizontal line, also marked with a blue arrow. This is an artefact from when Sunday was recorded. It’s a form of high pitched tone which I actually hear as a separate sound because of the boosting of those frequencies. (Ouch) Btw, since this tone is at a little below 16 kHz, I can tell Sunday was probably recorded off of a Super Gameboy rather than a DMG.
Covox - Sunday can be downloaded here: http://www.covox.net/?audio
Right now I don’t know a place to listen to the song in full for free, but you can listen to a portion of it here:
Download
I deem this as ok from a copyright point of view since most of the quoted material doesn’t belong to them anyway.
“Insecticon” <-> Lo-Bat - My Little Droid Needs A Hand and Covox - Sunday
Basically the same song with different pitch. Insecticon can be downloaded from their MySpace. The original song can be downloaded from Lo-Bat’s front page:http://www.lo-bat.be/. They’re using the same drum samples from Sunday.
The sampling of Lo-Bat breaks the Creative Commons license, ironically also abbreviated CC.
Here’s a comparison between the two. (Updated video)
“TV Babies” <-> X-agon - Lamerina
This one is blatantly obvious.
TV Babies: (Skip to 00:50)
X-agon - Lamerina:
X-agon - Lamerina
TV Babies is unreleased.
Everybody! I need your help! If you know of other songs which have been or might have been ripped off by CC, please leave a comment here if you find something.
More infos:
Discussion on 8bitcollective
Article on Create Digital Music
Creative Commons
Update 1
This was dug up from the thread on 8bc:
Andy, representing Crystal Castles, sent this to Lameboy, one of the admins on 8bc.
Andy:
I’m not sure if I was clear in my message to you that songs with Lo-Bat samples were left off the CC album because we didn’t have the sample clearance. Many songs were left off the CD because we needed more time to clear the samples. We are hoping to have the songs on a future release (maybe a rarities/demos/remixes compilation) and would love to clear this with Lo-Bat. If you can get a contact for him through the 8bit forum that would be great and we can finally release these tracks.
It’s a sign of courtesy, but there are still things to be sorted out. More later.
Update 2
“xxzxczx me” <-> Eat Rabbit - ???
Quoted here as being stolen from an Eat Rabbit tune. Still need details on which one.
Mr Rabbit says he can’t hear traces of his own tracks in xxzxczx me. So I’ll strike that one out.
Update 3
It has come to my attention that the track Mother Knows Best samples Lo-Bat’s track Tizzy almost off the shelf. And Covox’ drums are there in the background as usual too.
This track was released on a 7″ vinyl, and is still for sale through iTunes.
Listen to TizzyTizzy
Listen to Mother knows best on last.fm
There used to be an official video for the track on Youtube, but it was removed.
Update 4
Added this video to the section about insecticon .
Update 5
Added TV Babies to the list.
Update 6
Check out my new article Crystal Castles - Courtship Dating vs 50 Cent - Ayo Technology (Who sampled who?) which investigates the similarities between Ayo Technology and Courtship Dating.
There’s also a new Myspace profile called Crystal Theft with the purpose of spreading the word about this. Show your support by adding them to your top friends list.
Update 7
The song description for the song Insecticon on their Myspace now says “CC vs. Lo-Bat unreleased demo 2004″. Now I’m just waiting for an official announcement saying that the song will be relased under a Creative Commons license.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:37 am
You, sir, are a scientist.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Just two infos:
1. Love and Caring is released on their album
see http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/47286-crystal-castles-reveal-debut-lp-details
2. From what I can tell they ripped one bassdrum and one snare. The snare is untouched (apart from compression/boost). The kick is doubled with another kick.
Although this time it’s released, and that for us it makes no doubts, I’m not sure how much easy it is going to prove anything on the legal level with this one.
Piece of me
Marc.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Great article…
the video is no more available…
but you can find it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjN4tbczi4g
May 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
sorry, is the same video
now work
May 6th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
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May 6th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
“Btw, since this tone is at a little below 16 kHz, I can tell Sunday was probably recorded off of a Super Gameboy rather than a DMG.”
Hahahaha! I love you.
Thanks very much for this Nitro.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
I admire your scientific method. On the plus side, thanks for introducing me to Covox. If not for this dust up, I would likely never have listened to and enjoyed their music. And their CD ‘Delete the Elite’ is available on Amazon. Even better.
May 7th, 2008 at 10:20 am
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May 7th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
“Btw, since this tone is at a little below 16 kHz, I can tell Sunday was probably recorded off of a Super Gameboy rather than a DMG.”
Also my favorite part of the article! I’d love to find out from covox if this is true. I know he’s spoken up in defense of the Game Boy Light in the past….
May 7th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
How much can someone really claim a bunch of beeps that someone else created in the first place? Electronic music like this is based on taking other people’s work and acting like arranging it differently takes more than patience and a modicum of creativity. What I can say for CC is that theirs sounds like a song. Lo-Bat’s mess of noise sounds like a guy who’s way too into himself to bother with making something that has any soul.
Not that CC’s song is great by any means, but I think I hear a human in there.
May 8th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
“Btw, since this tone is at a little below 16 kHz, I can tell Sunday was probably recorded off of a Super Gameboy rather than a DMG.”
Not true, actually. “Sunday” isn’t even a Gameboy track. It was created on an old Akai sampler and a Siel Opera 6.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:50 am
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May 10th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Jesus, could this be any less informed? Making chiptune music is NOT based on taking other people’s work, it is creating original music by using a game console. The notes, rhythms, even the instruments’ sounds are created by hand and from scratch by the composer. Ironically, it is Crystal Castles, who you are defending, that “take other people’s work” and rearrange it, claiming it as their own, BTW. I suggest you read up a little on chiptune music before you post such ill-informed bullshit.
May 10th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
So… does the fact that “Sunday” was created using an Akai sampler, make CCs use of it a sample of a sample? Who’s to say that Covox didn’t sample it from somewhere else too? (Just a theoretical point - I’m not accusing Covox of doing any such thing).
I’m not trying to stir up trouble, but I’d guess that 99% of electronic musicians have a folder full of percussive samples from all manner of sources on their hard drives. Stealing musical phrases/loops and melodies/vocals is something different. That is a direct steal of the essence of a song. I’m not convinced that a short percussive sound qualifies.
Ultimately it’s up to Covox if CC have done anything wrong. Personally, I’d be quietly flattered if someone chose to sample something I’d made.
May 11th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
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May 13th, 2008 at 12:55 am
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May 14th, 2008 at 6:25 am
What the eff? Because you’re supposedly “mainstream” (which Crystal Castles are not, at least not yet… but the 8bit community sure are helping!) you’re not allowed to sample? This is out right idiotic. This angers me so much. What the fuck. Double standard bullshit. The 8-bit community are their own worst enemy.
LOOK AT ME I’M UNDERGROUND!!! I’M ANTI-MAINSTREAM!11!!11! I’M SO COOL!! I’M INDEPENDENT AND DIFFERENT IN A PROGRESSIVE WAY!!! hurr hurr.
May 15th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Mono, they did not give any of these people credit. This is not about being anti mainstream. This is about giving credit where credit is due.
They basically took a whole lo-bat song spun it around and went “yup this is ours”. That is not the same as someone using a sample, clearing it with the original artist, and then giving said artist credit.
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May 17th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
There’s some obvious holes in this argument, here, but also a good deal of sense.
The one thing here is regarding the drums. How is what CC did any different from you or me using a midi sequencer for beats? IF they stole a WHOLE beat, you’d have a point, but how can you seriously call THAT severe wrongdoing? Every blog house band has been using the exact same beats (soundwise) for years now and no one cares.
Are we going to start copyrighting synth tones now too?
Also, Insecticon has always been billed as a remix to my knowledge (and never formally released).
I wouldn’t beat this band over the head. It’s not like they’re copping obscure songs and calling them their own.
Ironically 50 Cent ripped them off.
May 17th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Karpe: The thing about the Covox drums was not that that particular case of sampling was especially bad. But rather I put some emphasis to it because it was so technically convincing. I’m trying to be up to date report all unauthorized sampling by CC to build a case.
Also, AFA Ayo Technology is concerned, I have analyzed the songs and what I found was that 50 Cent (or rather Timbland) most probably didn’t sample CC there. Read about it here.
May 18th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
did you know all the Daft Punk’s hits are based on old samples? ALL
May 18th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Oh, great… Another one that didn’t read my rant.
1) Daft Punk have legally cleared the samples by attributing the sampled artists and paying royalties.
2) Daft Punk have never hushed about the fact that their music largely based on sampling. They are very open about it.
3) Daft Punk have not, as far as I know, disrespected the artists they’re sampling from by saying that a certain song was just a joke.
There you have the difference.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:44 am
the argument here is clear
1) chip tune artists create there own compositions (not from samples but using digital synthesis by running home brew software on various games consoles and home computers)
2) there pretty relaxed about licensing samples as long as they are given credit and in some cases a creative commons license is applied to the song the sample is
used in so others can resample (improving music)
3) Crystal Castles are fans of this music and so want to sample it but go about it in entirely the wrong way. The nice guy approach would have been to credit the samples, make some of there songs creative commons licensed and maybe taken lo bat or covox on tour
it just seems wrong that artists that function as part of the main stream music community can just pillage ideas from a less commercial almost hobby community and get away without paying a bit of respect to the original composers
ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS A SO CALLED ALTERNATIVE BAND LIKE CRYSTAL CASTLES
May 19th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
I think they are just idiots, thinking ‘creative commons’ means ‘free’. And they are also quite obnoxious about it and don’t want to admit they were in the wrong.
And to be honest, the whole ‘love and caring’ vs ’sunday’ one really is stupid. It does not sound like it’s sampled.
May 20th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Just an FYI, the YouTube videos have been removed seemingly by a “copyright” claim by a third party. *sigh*
One of the videos is still linked on the anti-CC page on MySpace. Check it out there instead.
June 16th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
I’m a pretty big Crystal Castles fan (seeing them tonight actually) and I’m just kind of confused on how an 8bit/chiptune/whatever artist can complain about them sampling drums sounds. Don’t most of the drum sounds used by artists like yourself come from those original atari or nintendo sound chips? Or do you sit in a room with a drum kit and record the sounds then distort and effect the acoustic drums until they get the 8bit sound?
I’m not trying to sound like some upset hipster dick with a stick up his ass (and i’d be ashamed if i ever tried to prove a point by saying “what the eff?”), im just curious about having similar sounding drums when they drums probably come from one original source.
June 16th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
The difference is that us chippers have to do a certain amount of programming to get a certain sound. We have to decide parameters like the pitch sweep and volume envelope.
It’s really not any different from programming any other synth. ’cause that’s what we do, use the game consoles as synths.
CC on the other hand are posers that are trying to ride the wave without really giving a fuck about the people before them. That’s a part of the problem.
June 16th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
So the drums on Love and Caring are just sampled from Covox’s song? but if they change the pitch wouldnt that mean it is different, because that is what chippers do with the sounds from they game consoles they use?
I obviously dont know anything about how to produce sounds from gameboys, but i’m just trying to understand the difference so dont act like the answer is obvious, go easy on me.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:00 am
They also sampled a Death From Above song for their song Untrust Us.
Read also: Vanilla Ice
June 17th, 2008 at 9:15 am
and they sampled HEALTH twice.
I just got back from a CC show and they dont sample the drums now, they have a guy do live drums.
so take that however you want
June 17th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
and their song Vanished samples Van She vocals from the song Sex City.
This CC thing will just be like what happened to Girl Talk. People bitch about samples and copyright but at the end of the day nobody (the artists) really gave a shit.
June 18th, 2008 at 12:42 am
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June 18th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
shit i was just about to post that
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
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June 24th, 2008 at 5:59 am
From what I know about Copyright laws is that its not considered infringement until the person or persons use it to gain financial profit. Which from what I know CC hasn’t done, with anything else other than ‘Love and Caring’. They haven’t released any other songs they are being accused for stealing on their CD, so they haven’t made any profit from them. So until they do, without permission, this all means practically nothing. I wont say I have looked into it much to prove my point so I could be entirely wrong and willing to accept it if I am. So don’t bite off my head I’m just throwing what I think out there.
June 27th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
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July 25th, 2008 at 6:27 am
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August 16th, 2008 at 1:14 am
i have recently been getting into 8bit music and i started getting interested when i started to listen to crystal castles. i really like CC but i cant say that i would support the fact that they’re stealing from chiptunes artists. i really have no idea if they have stolen the music or if its all or partly bullshit but i dont see the problem in just giving lo-bat and covox their credit. maybe even doing some collab songs or something. if they stole the shit they should just give the artists credit i dont see why that would be hard lol.
August 16th, 2008 at 1:21 am
at least if there is something positive to come from this, it will probably get a lot more people intrigued in 8bit music. it did with me
August 17th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
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August 21st, 2008 at 11:04 am
“kevin” writes like a spy.
select reading: http://www.plunderphonics.com/xhtml/xplunder.html
epilogue:
at the end of the day, crystal castles are still a fucking electroclash band. of course they don’t care about anything but their own success.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:05 pm
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August 26th, 2008 at 8:20 am
I was really excited when I first found out about crystal castles, before their big album. I remember reading a CC interview somewhere where the interviewer asked:
“Your music sounds a lot like the underground 8 bit and chiptune genres”
to which they responded:
“We weren’t aware there was such a scene, our music is just our own style.”
Like, completely pretending that they never even heard of the scene the artists belong to that they were later found to have stolen so much from.
Also its kinda funny how I some of CC’s songs were pretty decent and others were just shit.. turns out most of the decent ones were the ones with stolen samples.
August 26th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
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September 18th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
I love Crystal Castles!
October 7th, 2008 at 3:39 am
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December 18th, 2008 at 12:34 am
it’s just music i don’t think it matters who made it. the guy who spent ages analysing the two songs needs to get a life.
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:20 am
I LOLed when I read this. Haha, poor 8-bit community. How sad, just because they didn’t get any credit on some UNRELEASED songs! Come on, let’s give them all some milk and cookies. Aww. Poor babies.
No seriously, ‘My Little Droid Needs A Hand’ bored me anyway. It needs those lyrics to kick it up a notch. I don’t really care about the Covox drum beat, it still sounds kick-ass. ‘Tizzy’ is excusable, as much as I adore said track and ‘Mother Knows Best’, it would sound just as good wihout vocals so i’m neutral on that.
I still love Crystal Castles, I don’t care about all this shit some bitchy community has to say about them. :3 They illegally sampled tracks, that were unreleased anyway? I can accept that, but no need to get pissed off about it.
Apart from that, TV babies is also good. Doesn’t matter if it has some poor uncredited artist’s work on it, CC put it together. I’m gonna keep listening to these songs whether some twats like it or not.
December 25th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
I still love Crystal Castles, I don’t care about all this shit some bitchy community has to say about them. :3 They illegally sampled tracks, that were unreleased anyway? I can accept that, but no need to get pissed off about it.
Apart from that, TV babies is also good. Doesn’t matter if it has some poor uncredited artist’s work on it, CC put it together. I’m gonna keep listening to these songs whether some twats like it or not.
December 29th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
All this over unreleased demos? What a waste of my time.
January 2nd, 2009 at 3:32 am
>Crystal Castles’ use of sampling, however, is quite the opposite: It’s an example of a mainstream producer sampling underground musicians.
It’s ironic you say this, because Timbaland’s lift of Crystal Castles’ original composition Courtship Dating is a much better example of this.
Where do you get this idea that CC is “mainstream”? When those tracks were sampled I’m not even sure they had an indie record deal.
If they allow the samples to clear, the makers can make royalties off it and gain exposure themselves. That’s good, right?
January 7th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
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May 26th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Lol at all those CC fans and their whining still over this old post.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:41 pm
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June 11th, 2009 at 9:13 am
why do crystal castles fans who respond to this argument always find a way to come across as idiots.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
I’m sorry Nitro2k01 but you’re attempts to discredit CC just looks like professional jealousy to me.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
I’m not jealous, but baffled about how CC has become so famous with their trashy, punky “I don’t give a shit” attitude. Of course I realize that’s why they have gained fame: People just want a loud sound to scream and rock to in a sweaty, drunk crowd. And this will never change, the punk attitude will always find an appeal, so it did in the 70’s and so it does today.
So, no, my music may suck in various ways, but there’s nothing to be jealous about with CC.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:09 am
I think this behavior is ridiculous. I was searching for more info about X-Agon after Lamerina came up on my mp3 player recently and came across this blog. Definitely keep spreading the word. Even if CC’s music is good, the fans should know that it involves exploiting other artists.